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Ami a célközönséget illeti, nem Tóta, hanem az egész Index céloz olyan szélesen, hogy a lehető legtöbben beleférjenek. (Megértem, ez kívánja az üzleti érdek.) Aztán pedig sírnak, hogy milyen tahó a közönségük. (http://tinyurl.com/5e8em7 -
via Nemlak Z) Ilyet ugyan nem illek tenni, de nyilván kínos nekik is a dolog.
Annak idején nem azt írtad, Pollner, hogy Tóta nem is blogger, mert a "blogján" egyirányú kommunikációt folytat, a hozzászólást nem tekinti egyrangúnak? Hol a web2 a cenzúrázott kommentekben? Ez az új read/write web? LoL
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Meggyőződésem, hogy nem a témaválasztás pikánssága, vagy az író polgárpukkasztó (mennyire l'art pour l'art dolog is ez, nem?) stílusa miatt sok a tahó Tótánál, hanem mert neki ez a közeg a célközönsége, hogy egy jól elkoptatott protomarketinges szöveget ellőjek.
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csatibor: Szerinted ki vezesse egy blogban az ott folyó beszélgetést, ha nem maga a blogger?
Nem emlékszem, hogy az Alkotmányban rögzített jog lenne, hogy árki eljárhat bármilyen blogba fröcsögni, anyázni...
Ez minden esetben a blogszerző döntése. Szerintem a komment rész is a szöveghez tartozik, ezért kézenfekvő a moderálás is. Egyébként saját tapasztalatból tudom, hogy ha a csapból is a moderációs elvek folynak, akkor is nagy számban kommentel a cigányozós, zsidózós csőcselék, ezért is szükségszerű a moderáció.
Kérdésem:
a nagytudásu, széleslátókörű, magát újságírónak nevező (diploma nélküli) úriember, honnan veszi a bátorságot a moderálásra?
Több száz kommentet már nem lehet kézben tartani értelmesen, főleg nem a szokványos 1 dimenziós modellel. Ott már külön "témák" köré lehet gyűjteni a hozzászólásokat, és érdemes bevezetni valami pontrendszert is és/vagy regisztrációt. Lásd Slashdot, Digg, Reddit. Akár a jól bevált "2-3 jóváhagyott komment után szabad a vásár" módszer is működhet egy ideig.
Az Index vagy megcsinálja magának, vagy keres egyet a neten (biztos van ilyen open source megoldás, ha más nem, ott a reddit forráskódja).
Ehhez képest a moderálás csak félmegoldás, vagy elapasztja a kommentforrást vagy temérdek időt emészt fel. Nem beszélve arról, hogy túl nagy lesz az idő a kommentek között, nehezebben alakul ki társalgás/párbeszéd.
Nem voltam ott ezen a bloggertalálkozón sem, ami itt hallottam belőle, éppen elég volt. Érdekes, hogy az Index saját magának folyamatosan alálicitálva a címlapjára csábítja a csőcseléket, aztán saját főmunkatársai sírnak, hogy sok ott a bunkó.
"a kevesebb néha több" tipikus esete. Követendő példa szarintem is.
Ha jól tudom, egy darab ideje fontolgatja ezt a lépést, amit a nemrégiben tartott blogger-találkozón ki is fejtett (hiányoltam is a beszámolóid közül), és úgy tűnik, meg is valósított.
Emelkedik majd ettől a színvonal? Megéri a moderálásra fordított energia? Idővel kiderül.
Készült egy videó Tóta W. egyik nyilvános szerepléséről egy bloggertalálkozón, ahol hosszan beszélt a hozzászólásokról és a hozzászólókról - keresetlen szavakkal.
Talán itt magyarázatot lehet találni a módosításra:
http://napielet.hu/napi/rovat/campusfest/3145/mit_lehet_tenni_az_arcatlan_arctalan_kommentelokkel
Ha "enyhe" irónia volt az írásod utolsó sorában egyetértek. Ha nem...Akkor is, csak nem annyira.
A cenzúra mindíg a hihetetlenül kétélű dolog. Persze most kéne fényeznem Tótát, hogy biztos tud majd mérlegelni, de minden ok nélkül ami neki nemtetszik azt azonnal nem teszi ki. Nem lenne egyszerűbb kiírni valahova jó látható helyen, hogy nem kell seggnek lenni és pont? Nem kell zsidózni, cigányozni, magyarozni, romázni stb.
Ha valaki ezt nem tartja be akkor mehet, de így senki nem tudja, hogy most mit írjon és a vége úgyis az lesz, hogy "fényezz vagy meghalsz". Tudom, hogy ez most elképzelhetetlennek tűnik, de láttam már erre nem egy és nem két példát.
Az sokkal normálisabb lenne ha azután cenzúráznának, hogy megjelenne. Szerintem. Meg nemhiszem, hogy 1000-1200 kommentet el tud bíránli. Naponta.
Mellesleg a nevezet bejegyzésnek olvasd el az első hozzászólóját, utána olvasd el, hogy mit ír a cenzúrájáról. Fölösleges egy mondatosok. Hát az elsőben bizti nagy vélemény nyílvánítás van.
